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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Bob Kuczewski wrote:
barton wrote:
BobK(razy) you sir, are just a simple bully. Much like that fat boy known as trump. Bullies never win, which makes you a LOSER in so many ways.

Never put words in my mouth fathead!


Translation: Barton is so angry about being caught making false accusations that he resorts to childish name calling.

Barton, a more mature response might look like this:

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Gee Bob, I could have sworn that was you, but I called Joe Spinney as you suggested and he confirmed that he had flown past Bathtub Rock but you had turned back. I'm really sorry for calling you a liar. I'm also sorry for holding that against you for the past 5 years and for making false statements behind your back for all that time.


Barton, when you admit your mistakes and apologize, they fade into history. But when you double down on your mistakes, they come back again and again.


I must agree with Barton as per Pro football rules.
A trained observer was confused by 2 gliders 99.95% similar. before the next play is called the other team can call a review. BobK should have cleared this up back then. Now the NFL looks bad because the bad call wasn't challenged and so that replay video is out there and makes everyone look bad. I think BobK should apologize to Barton. On this issue BobK was a bad coach and did not defend his team at the moment he had the chance. I am glad it is cleared up and we can move on.

You have all fallen under "Jedi Mind Tricks" relating to BobK.
Fact <> Opinion.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:35 pm    Post subject: Call on the field stands. Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Per NFL rules the call on the field stands.

At the time of the alleged infraction Joe Spinney stepped forward (he's an honorable man) and conferred with the referees. While the referee on the field was no "Bob fan", the evidence was irrefutable and Bob was not ejected from the field.

But Barton - observing from the cheap seats - didn't hear the call and misreported the incident as Bob lying through his teeth - 5 years later.

Thanks for the context Doug!!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

You still owe Barton an apology.

USHPA/"Old Man Potter Pines Gliderport" Should have announced the decision so a dignified Trained observer was in the loop and not turned against you with a Jedi Mind Trick no fault of his own. He made a good call.

(sorry to the editor about the language content)


Furthermore, the Starwars Nerds Running the USPHA have the US with 9000 members when Europe with identical population has 100,000 members.

Yea Starwars films and merch have grossed $42 billion when Startrek has only grossed about $5 billion, just saying.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

dhmartens wrote:
A trained observer was confused by 2 gliders 99.95% similar.


A trained observer should know the difference between a Falcon and a Predator.

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before the next play is called the other team can call a review. BobK should have cleared this up back then.


That's exactly what happened. Yet 5 years later Barton - in his ignorance - is still falsely reporting it and using his ignorance of the facts to accuse me of lying through my teeth - read his post.

Whether Barton apologises to me or not is somewhat immaterial to me. I know the facts and can prove them any time to anyone. The primary reason for Barton to apologize is for the sake of his own credibility.

Accusing someone of something they didn't do is bad enough when done by innocent mistake. But doing it on purpose when the facts are known reveals a malicious personality.

The Barton who's big enough to apologize is a very different human being from the Barton who won't.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

If he was close enough to see the length of a camera mount could he tell the difference of these 2 sails.



shga may find ushawks endorsing the RRG for recreational Hang gliding.

Bob drew a conclusion that the paraglider school may be trying to take over the RRG from a democratic organization(possible Dockweiller too) and then ban hang gliding nationwide.

Paraglider school taking over RRG.

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Arresting Bob again at the end.

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I need to fact check 100,000 pilots in Europe.
I read it here:
http://www.paraglidingforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=76157
"...I also think that the European insurance companies are probably not eager to jump the USA bandwagon. Its a totally different legal system - you just cannot compare it. Here we pay around 50 bucks per year for a paragliding 3rd party insurance, because the legal risks and costs are much lower. And the number of pilots is cumulative way over 100k in Europe as well, that helps. .."
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Thanks for the nice graphic Doug. I may look through my photos to see if I can find good pictures of Joe's actual glider to further show the obvious differences.

But that's not really the point. I could believe that Barton made an honest mistake. But the first thing to do before making an accusation is to go to the person being accused and get their side of the story. Barton failed to do that in 2010 and instead he nurtured in himself the belief that I "lied through my teeth". That's the greater tragedy because it has poisoned Barton's ability to tell truth from lies in other matters like the abuses at Torrey and now the RRG.

But the greatest tragedy of all is a man so blinded by his misperceptions that he participates in guiding the Sylmar club down a path toward greater dependency on the very people responsible for losing our insurance.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I would argue that the greatest tragedy a man can face is, as Mark Twain once said; "to lose the respect and good opinion of his neighbors."

I don't know you Bob, but it seems pretty evident you are blinded by rage, driven by envy and hell bent on revenge for perceived wrongs you incurred from USHPA and others. I've watched you both here on our local SHGA forum and on just about every other significant forum/venue there is in Hang Gliding try to force your biased and delusional agenda via "discussions," that are never any form of useful or productive discourse. It always comes down to the same one sided, blaring indictment and conspiracy theory that stems from your personal troubles with our governing body and your local flying site. Again, I don't know you and thus have nothing personal against you, other than I (amongst many others) am simply tired of your tedious diatribe. I have faith in our governing body and in elected representatives like Ken Andrews, who are working hard every day to find a solution to this very significant moment in our sports history. I have every confidence we as a community and collective whole will find a lasting solution to this challenge, and secure our flying sites, our future.

As a human being I feel for you, I really do. I try to put myself in your shoes, imagine what it would be like if I lost the privilege to fly as you have. I'm sorry this happened to you. But I recognize that you brought this upon yourself and that long ago you lost the respect and good opinion of our community and your neighbors. Whether or not you can ever recover either is entirely up to you. But I can assure you that continuing to bring nothing but anger, doom, delusion and negativity to the table is only going to yield for you more of what you have already earned...
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

First, thanks to the moderator for moving this topic. This topic was created as an "all about Bob" topic (see the first post) and does not belong in the "General" section. Good call!!

R8pistol, you say you don't know me and then you immediately launch into statements that cannot be made without knowing me. I have no rage. I am calmly doing what I can to raise awareness of a failed USHPA leadership that has already lost the insurance that members have been funding for decades. That's not rage or envy or any of the other attributes you've listed. I am motivated by a desire to see all members of both sports be treated fairly.

It's as simple as that.

You may also note that I didn't start this "All about Bob" topic. I want to talk about things like insurance, recreational use statutes, compertition in hang gliding organizations (like they have in SCUBA diving), and ensuring that pilot's money isn't squandered supporting irresponsible businesses. This entire topic is a diversion from that, and it's a back door attempt to discredit me in those other discussions. It's a common tactic to go after the messenger when you can't defeat the message. That's what you're witnessing in this topic.

You mention "negativity" as if that's always a bad thing. Did you ever read the Declaration of Independence? "Gee those dudes were really negative man." We've turned into such a politically correct bunch of sissies that we couldn't produce such a document today. When USHPA's current leadership screws up a few decades of reliable insurance, I think a little "negativity" is in order.

Finally, I appreciate your sympathies for my loss of flying. But the reality is that this was done in your name and the name of every single USHPA member. I kmow a number of people who've dropped - or plan to drop - their USHPA membership on the basis of that injustice. I also just heard from someone who offered a sizeable donation to USHPA's RRG but will likely withdraw it based on the injustice of that expulsion. If you want to talk about rage and revenge, that's what fueled that kangaroo court of an expulsion "hearing".

R8pistol, and everyone else ... my phone number is 858-204-7499. Please feel free to call any time if you're sincere about disussing solutions to the problems facing our sport today. You won't hear any rage or revenge. You'll hear someone sincere about the future of people ... who fly like birds.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

http://www.10news.com/news/confrontation-at-torrey-pines-gliderport-caught-on-camera-072915 wrote:
When asked why he keeps going back and challenging it, Kuczewski said, "Rosa Parks, Rosa Parks did the one thing that she needed to do."

"She knew she was going to be arrested, knew she was going to go to jail, Iím sure she wasn't looking forward to it but she did,Ē Kuczewski said.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Tangent Man wrote:
http://www.10news.com/news/confrontation-at-torrey-pines-gliderport-caught-on-camera-072915 wrote:
When asked why he keeps going back and challenging it, Kuczewski said, "Rosa Parks, Rosa Parks did the one thing that she needed to do."

"She knew she was going to be arrested, knew she was going to go to jail, Iím sure she wasn't looking forward to it but she did,Ē Kuczewski said.

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LORD I AM GRATEFUL TO LIVE
LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW

THAT I INSPIRED BOB
KUCZEWSKI TO BE ARRESTED.



Jonathan, if you'd done your homework, you'd know that Rosa Parks didn't live long enough.

But she did, indeed, inspire me to say "no" to the continued bullying and banning of pilots at Torrey Pines. Did I mention that I can now go there on a regular basis and I am no longer threatened with arrest or being thrown out? In fact, I believe I could fly there today if it weren't for the corrupt leadership at USHPA.

You may not realize it, but the establishment of my rights to be at Torrey Pines is another step in securing the rights for all pilots (HG, PG, RC, and SP) to use our public parks and be treated fairly. You'll be glad to know that you played no part in that victory - other than as a cheerleader for USHPA's injustice.

You write your own legacy with every post Jonathan.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

dhmartens wrote:
Paraglider school taking over RRG.

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Ahhhh. Very nice selection Doug. That's one of my favorite clips from one of my favorite movies.

I did think about Rosa Parks when considering whether to leave the Gliderport or stand my ground and be arrested. But that scene of George Bailey standing up to Mr. Potter is similarly inspiring.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Bob Kuczewski wrote:
You write your own legacy with every post ...


Word to your mother Bob. Just like that one time when you got banned from both national HG web forums for the same shit your pulling now.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Bob Kuczewski wrote:
....Jonathan, if you'd done your homework, you'd know that Rosa Parks didn't live long enough....
My apologies Bob, What I really meant to write in that meme but failed was,
Rosa Parks wrote:
When I learned that Bob KrazyScrewLooseKey compared his struggles to mine, I rolled over in my grave.


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You write your own legacy with every post Jonathan.

And a fine legacy it is too. I'm so glad you appreciate my George Bernard Shaw-esque wit.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Bob, Here is your apology from Barton from earlier in this thread:
"..flying north of the bathtub, regret I didnít call you on it the day Robin was drillin you for that,.."

Regret:
1.
a feeling of sadness, repentance, or disappointment over something that has happened or been done.

Also when you tell people on this forum to not donate and fly without insurance, especially those with assets, you are opening them up for financial destruction should a mishap occur.

The lawyers will descend on them like a pack of wolves:
(professional trainer, do not try this)

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One last note:
Barton made veiled reference to Bernie Sanders so this post had to be moved to the Political section. Yet Socialist Europe has 15 to 1 pilots per capita than the US.
http://www.instituteforlegalreform.com/uploads/sites/1/ILR_NERA_Study_International_Liability_Costs-update.pdf

Feel the Bern
"As they said back in í65, Burn Baby BurnÖÖ" BLM


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Tangent Man wrote:
My apologies Bob, What I really meant to write in that meme but failed was,
Rosa Parks wrote:
When I learned that Bob KrazyScrewLooseKey compared his struggles to mine, I rolled over in my grave.


Jonathan, your junior high school attempt at "argument by name mangling" is a sad reflection of what you've become since your accidents.

Doug, I appreciate your attempts to find an apology in Barton's quote, but it's not there. Here's Barton's full quote addressed to me:

Barton wrote:
Iíve seen you lie through your teeth about flying beyond the boundaries as stated in the rules at Torrey, i.e flying north of the bathtub, regret I didnít call you on it the day Robin was drillin you for that, so I know you are not a saint, by any stretch of the imagination. I just didnít want to get involved in your delusional perception that you were above the rules of authorized airspace. If I only was flying with a camera that day, could I show you, you were way over the lineÖ.


Again, while I appreciate your efforts, that quote is clearly calling me a liar, and his "apology" is more like "I'm sorry I didn't call you a liar back in 2010" than an apology for having made a false accusation earlier in that same paragraph.

Doug, you also mention insurance ... which Barton and several others are trying to avoid. You wrote:

Quote:
Also when you tell people on this forum to not donate and fly without insurance, especially those with assets, you are opening them up for financial destruction should a mishap occur.

The lawyers will descend on them like a pack of wolves


Let's be clear. I am advising people not to donate directly to USHPA and to instead build up a pile of Sylmar money that Sylmar can use to become a controlling and owning member of the RRG along with the other investors. These "investors" will be calling the shots as to who can join the RRG and who they will insure. They will also be the ones setting the rates that pilots (and clubs) pay to use the money that they donated. I used the Green Bay Packers analogy to point out that ownership of their own NFL franchise has spared them from the economics which have robbed other small communities of their teams. I am also critical of USHPA for structuring the self-insurance initiative as an RRG without exploring other mechanisms such as mutuals (first suggested to me by "Red" on hanggliding.org).

I am also advocating that the sport of hang gliding should be working to make insurance an option - not a requirement. Your fear that someone might sue you should not be a requirement for another pilot to buy insurance. Those decisions should be up to each individual pilot based on their own flying abilities, risk reduction strategies, and financial capabilities. In this country, we are bleeding ourselves to death through increasing requirements for "liability insurance". These large sums of money pooled in insurance companies that feeds the wolves you've mentioned.

As a side note, the creeping requirements for liability insurance in more and more aspects of our lives will strangle our economy and our freedom. The assumption behind liability insurance is that you MUST have the financial backing to cover any damage that you might cause - intentionally or not. This is not a sustainable model and it will keep us from flying hang gliders, owning guns, owning kitchen knives, selling hot coffee, and voicing our opinions in public. All of those things (and many more) create a possibility to cause damages in excess of our ability to pay for them. REQUIRED liability insurance is becoming a limitation on our otherwise constitutionally protected freedoms. I am not against liability insurance, but it must remain a voluntary decision made by the individual - and not a requirement to participate in any otherwise legal activity. Landowners certainly have the right to require insurance if they feel the need, but the recreational use statutes were specifically enacted to protect them from that need. We should be using those statutes. Individual pilots who feel that their flying styles might expose them to high liabilities should be free to negotiate insurance of any kind without placing that requirement on those who don't.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

barton wrote:
Much like that fat boy known as trump.


That would be "President elect Trump".

Barton, you still have not apologized for falsely accusing me of breaking the rules at Torrey. You also haven't apologized for saying I lied when I did not.

I'm not expecting that you'll apologize, so this is mostly an effort to set the record straight for those you've lied to about that incident over the years. But if you were to apologize it would surely be good for your soul.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:18 pm    Post subject: Rosa Parks Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

By the way, Rosa Parks voluntarily refused what she believed to be an unjust order so that she might bring the matter to court and have it resolved.

In the "bad old days" of David Jebb's Torrey, if Jebb didn't want someone there he would call the police and they would do his bidding without question. He was, after all, a former San Diego police officer. I witnessed it a number of times myself.

When Gabe Jebb assaulted me in November of 2014, I called the police. They came and instead of arresting Jebb, they told me I had to leave or be arrested. I asked for time to pack up my Falcon while I considered my options. After the glider was safely on my van (and my friend arrived to drive it home) I asserted that I had a right to be on that property and I was asserting that right.

I was arrested that day and in similar incidents in March and July of 2015. In all 3 cases I spent about 12 hours in jail, and in all 3 cases I went to my court date to find that no charges were filed by the City Attorney.

The City has up to one year to file charges. That year has now lapsed in all 3 cases. They never filed charges because they wouldn't stand a chance of prevailing in court. I (and others) can now go there any time without the fear of being unjustly arrested.

Being arrested and going to jail is a frightening prospect. I considered it very carefully while packing up my glider in November of 2014. It was the inspiration of Rosa Parks that gave me the courage to assert my rights. It was a small victory compared to the civil rights movement, but an injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere.

It is comng up on 2 years since that event in November of 2014. It's been that long since I've been able to fly at Torrey. Most of that lost time is because of USHPA. If USHPA were an organization standing up for pilots, they would have applauded my efforts and maybe even provided some legal assisstance. But USHPA is not an organization standing up for pilots. USHPA is an organization standing up for businesses, and their expulsion was their way to help Robin Marien accomplish what he could not accomplish in a court of law.

USHPA is not an association of pilots. It is a monopoly stranglehold on the sport of hang gliding designed to serve the interests of the USHPA insiders and cronies.
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Holy necropost, batman!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Wisdom is generally associated with age becsuse it takes many years of thoughtfully observing the world to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Forums (like this one) can put many years of history within easy reach of anyone willing to observe it.
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