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Ken Andrews is a tall and brave pilot

 
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dhmartens



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:13 pm    Post subject: Ken Andrews is a tall and brave pilot Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

OP had published satire under my name that represented Ken Andrews as the opposite as he is in reality as a form of satire but a new pilot may be confused.
Ken is one of the tallest pilots I know, has served as president of SHGA, Created the Adventure Pass, Helped organize the Falcon League, demonstrated towing up a Falcon in the Pacoma wash days after the Jean Lake accident and most bravely he has run and been elected as a USHPA regional director after an incident when one has been recalled for being ahead of his time. It is funny and satirical that Ken would be comically referred to as being the opposite as he actually is.

That being said it is possible Ken has become "One of Them" after being elected as a regional director.

You will have to determine this for your self, see imdb "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"


I have the greatest respect for Ken, but USHPA should know the California Economy is now rated as the 5th largest economy in the world, Brazil and France fell,the only larger economies are:
U.S., China, Japan, Germany and the United Kingdom.
Be careful when you tread here.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

You must be speaking satirically, Doug. You're the one who's demonstrably become one of "them."

Ken remains, as always, incorruptible.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Jim you are very perceptive.

I will become one of them once my new ipad/iphone/ios app is complete.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Where is Teacher Tom when you need him. His associate Ms. Pennyworth has assigned her 7th grade web development class: Create a webpage that recreates a national flying organization.
Allow selection of insurance from a marketplace, allow online and GPS verifiable web based simulation and training,
and 3rd party verifiable rating system.



http://www.dmv.org/ca-california/motorcycle-insurance-results.php




Link





The part missing is getting a sample of Greblo's brain tissue and melding it with a computer chip.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/06/060602172512.htm


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:59 pm    Post subject: Ken... Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I too have had great respect (and hope) for Ken.

Ken knows - as most do - that my expulsion was unjustified. But he's done nothing.

Ken is also aware that USHPA is not renewing our Torrey Hawks chapter even though we have been a chapter since 2007 and have met all requirements. So far he's done nothing there either.

I don't know who is pulling Ken's strings, but it is disappointing to see a good man lose his integrity so quickly.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:34 am    Post subject: Ph test Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Perhaps your methodology needs reconsideration.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:25 am    Post subject: Re: Ph test Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

rebardan wrote:
Perhaps your methodology needs reconsideration.

Spoken by another USHPA Director who inspired great hope but delivered ... nothing.

Can you tell us, Dan, what was your major accomplishment at USHPA? What did you do that would have been different without you?

Nothing to say on that?

I'm not trying to be hard on you Dan. The USHPA insiders have rigged the game to keep you (or Ken) from exerting any real influence in the organization. They let directors do superficial things like give out awards to keep everyone happy. But try to do something real (like voting records, due process, or a balanced Soaring Council) and you meet the brick wall.

So far Ken is on track to follow in the great achievements of other hopefuls like Bill Helliwell, Alan Crouse, and yourself. Your collective legacy is the lost insurance policy that had been earned through the decades and squandered under your watch.

It's not a methodology problem. It's a backbone in the boardroom problem.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Let me add one more comment about insurance...

The whole notion of insurance is based on the statistics that bad things sometimes happen. Insurers deal with that every day. It's random chance and statistics.

What scares insurers - and should - is systemic failures in an organization's management of risk. That's what they saw at Torrey in the spring 2015 settlement of the Hamby case. They pulled the insurance plug shortly afterward.

USHPA's response was to brainwash its members and then shoot the messenger. What was your response?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:58 am    Post subject: Sorry, Not Brave Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

This topic was started about halfway through Ken's first year in office. We are now nearing the end of his two year term.

Ken has not been brave at USHPA. In fact, he's been the opposite. He knows very well that my expulsion was unjustified. He hasn't been able to cite a single SOP that was violated. He's smart enough to find some justification if there were any ... and he hasn't.

Ken also assured us that the Torrey Hawks Chapter would be renewed. But he sat by and watched silently as USHPA simply refused to renew it with no justification ever given.

I would not say that Ken is a bad man. He's in the majority of humans just like the majority who watched silently while their neighbors were murdered as "witches" in Salem Massachusetts. He's also in the majority just like the majority who watched the racial lynchings in the deep south. And he's in the majority just like the majority in Germany who looked the other way as Jews were murdered in the concentration camps.

After two years, it pains me to say that Ken is not a brave man. He may be brave in flight (I don't know), and he may be brave in the dentist's chair (I don't know that either). But he was certainly NOT brave under the peer pressure of the USHPA board room. He has allowed 2 years of my life to pass without flying my favorite sites.

Those are 2 years I'll never get back, Ken. You should be ashamed for watching that happen during your Directorship. I know your excuse "No one else would have supported it", but that would have been their burden if you'd have at least made the motion. But you didn't and now it's on you.

In July of 2016, Doug wrote:
That being said it is possible Ken has become "One of Them" after being elected as a regional director.

The facts support this possibility.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Hey Bob K.,
OMG, did you just compare Ken A. to those who stayed silent during witch trials, lynchings and the holocaust? Over the hyperbolic line, dude!!! You not being allowed to launch a sanctioned USHPA site is not equivalent to burnings, hangings and genocide. I’ve always supported your right to protest what you thought was unfair treatment (even if I disagreed with your mosquito-like, buzzing in the ear methods}. And I bit my tongue (I have a scar to prove it) when you compared yourself to Rosa Parks, an icon in civil rights. But, good golly Miss Molly, Ken Andrews a collaborator?! C’mon, man, you’re better than that.
Bob B.
P.S. No need for you to answer this – don’t really want to get into a back and forth.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Bob Bendetson wrote:
Hey Bob K.,
OMG, did you just compare Ken A. to those who stayed silent during witch trials, lynchings and the holocaust?


Yes, I did. The human behavior of silently watching an injustice has the same roots regardless of the magnitude of the injustice. It's peer pressure - of one form or another - and it goes very deep in human nature. There was a time when rejection by your tribe meant certain death. That's why the fear of public speaking is so universal. Judgement by peers is a powerful force, and the USHPA Board knows how to wield it.

Bob Bendetson wrote:
P.S. No need for you to answer this – don’t really want to get into a back and forth.


That's the easy way out. It avoids the hard questions like this one:

Should pilots be expelled from flying because they testify in court?

It doesn't matter who likes which testimony. There are always two sides.
That's not the question.
The question is whether any testimony should be grounds for expulsion?

It's a "yes" or "no" answer Bob. Not much "back and forth" required.
Step up and be counted. Tell us what kind of sport and society you want to live in.

Is testifying in court a legitimate reason to expel people from hang gliding?

Yes ... or no?

If you don't have the courage to answer that easy question (from your keyboard no less),
you'd have been useless to anyone facing death at the hands of an angry mob or the Nazis.

Be silent and prove my point.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

The reason I didn’t want to go back and forth with you, Bob K., is that (in my humble opinion) your squabble with the USHPA over the years has veered into zealotry. Arguing with you is like arguing with a religious fanatic or a Trump supporter (still love ya, Joe!). Keep fighting the fight, Bob K., but for heaven's sake, put things in context. And for context, I lost both sets of grandparents, a half-brother, and most of my cousins and uncles on my father’s side during the “final solution.” So in the future, please refrain from bringing the holocaust into this, and I will definitely refrain from answering any more of your posts. It’s a waste of my time and yours. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Bob,

There's a well known saying that an injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere.

Of course your losses dwarf my loss of flight. I'm sorry about that. But this is a hang gliding forum, and in the world of hang gliding, taking away a person's right to fly is about as bad as it gets (excluding, of course, what was done to Shannon Hamby). And in that context, no one is asking you to pick up a rifle or sacrifice your life. You're simply being asked to say that the association you support (with your membership and your money) shouldn't be expelling your fellow pilots for legal testimony in a court of law regarding a woman who was badly and severely injured.

So within that limited context ...

Is testifying in court a legitimate reason to expel people from hang gliding?

Yes ... or no?

As I said, if you (and Ken) are too whimpy to stand up and say "NO!" (which is about zero risk to your life or limb), then it's easy to see how people facing more dire consequences will remain silent (All that evil needs to thrive - in any context - is for good men to do nothing).

You've done a lot of typing for a guy who doesn't want to waste anyone's time.

But you've somehow been unable to find these two or three keystrokes: Yes or No?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

While we're waiting for Bob to find a few keys on his keyboard ...

It's easy for humans to imagine that they would be brave or heroic in the circumstances that we've discussed (lynch mobs and totalitarian death squads). We each like to imagine that we wouldn't stand by and watch others be abused. But history tells us that we're likely fooling ourselves.

Most of us (fortunately) will never be tested in such dire situations. But we are tested in milder situations each and every day. Do we take the time to stand up against these smaller injustices, or do we cower in the safety of silence and inaction?

These are the questions I asked myself in 2006 when John Heiney came to me asking for my help with his friend David Beardslee who was banned from Torrey without due process.

I knew it would be a can of worms. I really wanted to turn away and decline the request. I didn't even know Dave Beardslee. Why should I stand up for him?

I was being tested. And for all the misery, and jail time, and expense, and loss of flying, and loss of friendships that it's cost me ... I would do it again.

David Beardslee can fly at Torrey to this very day.
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