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Jim



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

The USHPA is made up of all of us who choose to participate, a group of people who believe it's in our interest to act as one. Apparently, most of us believe that those we elected are doing a pretty good job, otherwise, we'd be flocking to another organization that does more than offer a forum for the disenfranchised.

Just as enough of those members (in our area) once thought it was in their best interest to find a new representative and acted upon that, I would posit that most members familiar with this issue (all members at the time of the expulsion were notified) find no good reason to support a change in the status quo.

However, you continue to attack Ken Andrews as if only your interest matters. I for one, would not vote for Ken again, if he decided to unilaterally take up this issue. My guess is that he's not fielding a lot of requests from members in your favor. He's too moral to accept his responsibilities as our director and not act on our wishes, if we made them known.

So, your problem is not with Ken. It is with all members who either:
1) don't support your behavior,
2) don't care about the issue or
3) are ignorant of your plight.

Have you considered why the first two could possibly be true, after all that you have self-documented?

I believe a professional public relations entity would be your best course of action, rather than continuing to fill our small club's forum with stale reminders off how awful we've all (USHPA members) treated you.
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Bob Kuczewski



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Jim, you've dodged my questions:

Bob Kuczewski wrote:
How familiar are you with the facts in the case?

For starters, are you aware that my expulsion was based on 4 charges:

1. That I started the U.S. Hawks.
2. That I spoke to my city council.
3. That I testified in a court case.
4. That I interfered with Torrey Pines flight operations.

Are those the reasons that you feel justify my expulsion from USHPA?

They did that in your name. How certain are you that it was justified?

There's a lesson to be learned from the Salem Witch Trials and from Nazi Germany. A small group of people can lead a large group of sheeple down some very dark paths. I asked you those questions to decide whether you're an independent thinker or a blind follower. I think you've answered that for me. Thanks.

As for Ken, he volunteered for the job. He also knows very well that my expulsion was unjustified. But just like you he has to try to convince himself that it was deserved to relieve his guilt of inaction. It's psychology 101, and USHPA has played you both like fiddles. Now neither of you can answer simple questions about justice and injustice because you've backed yourselves into corners that you can't escape. You're forced to make blanket statements like "members who ... don't support your behavior" without the ability to cite any specific behavoir. You cite USHPA's one-sided letter, but why didn't USHPA distribute my defense to everyone? You know the answer, but you don't like it.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

This battlefield assessment is brought to you by "Bud Select 55" because I lost 25 lbs over 3 months drinking the stuff and can now fly a sport 3 155.


BOB, of all the directors that voted to expel you very few are left in their elected position.

Let me know of any corrections.
The USHPA minutes go on to reflect that after Tim Herr's presentation, Felipe Amunátegui introduced a motion to terminate my membership. Felipe's motion was seconded by Bill Belcourt. Here's the vote:

XRegion 1: Mark Forbes Yes xxx12/2017
?Region 1: Rich Hass (didn't vote)
*Region 1: Paul Murdoch Yes 2017 *director at large*
*Region 2: Jugdeep Aggarwal Yes 2018
XRegion 2: Josh Cohn Yes xxx 12/2017
XRegion 2: Jon James Yes xxx didnt run 2017
*Region 2: Steve Rodrigues Yes *director at large*
Region 3: Corey Caffrey Absent ???? he voted yes????
Region 3: Alan Crouse Abstained
XRegion 3: Pete Michelmore Yes
*Region 4: Bill Belcourt Yes 2018
*Region 4: Ken Grubbs Yes
XRegion 5: Josh Pierce Yes xxx 12/2017 didnt run
Region 6&11: David Glover Yes
*Region 7: Paul Olson Yes
xRegion 8: Michael Holmes Yes gone??
*Region 9: Felipe Amunátegui Yes 2017 *director at large*
*Region 9: Larry Dennis Yes
Region 9: Art Greenfield Absent
Region 9: Dennis Pagen Absent (was there asleep)
*Region 10: Steve Kroop Yes 2018
Region 10: Jamie Shelden Absent
Region 10: Matt Taber Absent ??????????
xRegion 10: Bruce Weaver Yes gone???
*Region 12: Paul Voight Yes 2018
Region 12: Ryan Voight Yes 2017-2018
tiki masky ??? region 6 ????? said yes but in a "no" tone

Tim Herr, california bar association, didn't vote

*Region 2: Jugdeep Aggarwal
*Region 2: Steve Rodrigues Yes *director at large*
*Region 4: Bill Belcourt Yes 2018
*Region 4: Ken Grubbs Yes
*Region 7: Paul Olson Yes
*Region 9: Felipe Amunátegui Yes 2017 *director at large*
*Region 9: Larry Dennis Yes
*Region 10: Steve Kroop Yes 2018
Region 12: Paul Voight Yes 2018

are these the remaining bod that voted against you?


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Bob Kuczewski



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Doug,

Your post nicely reflects your perceptive nature ... right down to Tiki Mashi's vote. Nice job!! Smile

I actually called Tiki recently. During my expulsion hearing, she had asked some very pertinent questions that I'll paraphrase here:

Quote:
We don't like Bob testifying in court, right? We don't like Bob speaking to his City Council, right? We don't like Bob starting the U.S. Hawks, right?

So how does expelling him keep him from doing any of those things?


That was one of the right questions to ask. It cut right to the heart of the matter. Good job Tiki!! Other right questions might have been:

Quote:
Bob's been speaking to the City Council about Torrey since 2008. It's now 2015. Is there an SOP against this? If not, have we ever even warned Bob that he can't speak to his City Council in all those years? Not once? And where's the SOP against starting other hang gliding associations? Didn't Bob start the U.S. Hawks way back in 2010? And haven't we known about it all this time? And since it's not in our SOP's, how was Bob supposed to know he'd be expelled for it? And how many warnings did we issue to let Bob know that he couldn't create an alternate hang gliding association in those 5 years? None?!? And now we're suddenly expelling him? Really??


But Mark Forbes and Tim Herr and several other members of USHPA's "rotten core" wouldn't have any of it. Mark shut down Tiki's objections and there wasn't another Director with a backbone in the boardroom.

Human beings are designed to go along with the majority. In tribal cultures, being an outcast meant certain death. That's why people instinctively avoid going against the majority ... especially an angry majority. And USHPA was angry. They'd just had there tail handed to them in a court case where I had documented written evidence of me warning them about an incident in 2010 that foreshadowed the 2011 Hamby accident nearly perfectly. If you know anything about psychology, you'll know that some people get extra mad when they know they're in the wrong. That was the USHPA Board in the spring of 2015.

With those thoughts in mind, I give Tiki a lot of credit for speaking up. If one other Director had found the courage to back her up there might have been a different outcome. Sadly, there wasn't, and that reflects the "go along to get along" nature of USHPA's board. My outspoken calls for things like open voting and due process were no fit for that crew. Like oil and water.

I've been criticized for being hard on Ken Andrews. But the reality is that I was very hopeful that he would speak up and rally support from other Directors (like Tiki). I waited patiently during the early part of Ken's term, but he's slowly been "assimilated" into the Borg of USHPA. I can't wait forever.

Breaking USHPA's monopoly at Dockweiler last year was just a first step. Other sites are being planned for 2018 and 2019. In some ways my expulsion has been one of USHPA's biggest blunders. And Ken is failing his duty as a Director (in many ways) by not having the backbone to fix it.

Thanks for posting the voting record Doug. It's a nice reminder of why we're building an alternative to USHPA. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I looked to see who survived the onslaught and what "sheild-generator" they used. Jugdeep Aggarwal says on his flight blog that he is "DRAMA FREE".
This crashed my "AI" what does it mean? Is Drama free the future of Ushpa?
If BobK signed a pledge to "Remain drama free while he is on probation after his membership is restored" would Jugdeep vote to restore him so we all could avoid future drama?

google "drama free":

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Maybe Jugdeep is a New World Man.

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He has a pair of special sunglasses.

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Some animated hang glider flying in this video half way into it.

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Bob Kuczewski



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Doug wrote:
BOB, of all the directors that voted to expel you very few are left in their elected position.

It's too late. This month will be 3 years. All the ratings I earned through Joe Greblo and Rob McKenzie and Ken Baier will vanish in a few weeks. There's a special place in you know where for Regional Directors like Ken Andrews and Alan Crouse who sat by and did nothing for over 2 years of that time.

And Ken Andrews also watched the Torrey Hawks chapter not be renewed on his watch with no reason given.

I can proudly say - and everyone knows it's true - that I would NEVER have silently allowed anyone or any club in my region to be treated that way under my watch. It wouldn't have mattered if they were my closest friend or my worst enemy. Everyone was treated fairly under my Directorship. Neither Ken Andrews nor Alan Crouse can say that.

Whenever you see Ken Andrews or Alan Crouse, take a deep look into their eyes to see what kind of a human being would allow that to be done with their silent approval.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:26 pm    Post subject: Re: And now for the bad news ... Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Last December, Doug noted that Mark Forbes lost the election in his Region. I was initially optimistic until I gave it some thought. Then I posted this:

Bob Kuczewski on Dec. 22nd, 2017 wrote:
And now for the bad news ...

As I was posting your good news on the U.S. Hawks Forum, I remembered that the USHPA Board can effectively thwart the will of the members by appointing their cronies as "At Large" Directors to keep them in power. It wouldn't surprise me to see that happen in this case.


Guess what ... Mark Forbes shows up as a "Director at Large" on USHPA's web site. I can read them like a book ... and a trashy book at that.
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