Poll question
Moderator: Chip
Maybe we as a community of pilots could scope "personal attack" with careful study. And then see how we do about some common understanding about what a "personal attack" is or is not. Perhaps pilots will put their best study hat on for some substantial amount of time and sincere effort over just what "personal attack" is and is not. In the preamble to the Poll, maybe some careful open scrutiny could be made on some examples where the informed pilot group mulls over specific examples with their common heightened discernment.
I am proposing that if we have any arbiter, it would be neat if that arbiter or arbiter committee were robustly schooled in what would constitute a "personal attack."
SHGA, being a leader in the hang gliding community, might do well to be a leader in having a forum that is personal-attack free. That would be my hope for our treasured SHGA forum. When visitors arrive to our forum, will they see personal attacks or not?
Maybe two starting points for sincere study could spring from the studies and efforts made at a careful place:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... al_attacks
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility
Can personal attacks be made through art and images and avatars?
I am proposing that if we have any arbiter, it would be neat if that arbiter or arbiter committee were robustly schooled in what would constitute a "personal attack."
SHGA, being a leader in the hang gliding community, might do well to be a leader in having a forum that is personal-attack free. That would be my hope for our treasured SHGA forum. When visitors arrive to our forum, will they see personal attacks or not?
Maybe two starting points for sincere study could spring from the studies and efforts made at a careful place:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... al_attacks
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility
Can personal attacks be made through art and images and avatars?
Last edited by Joe Faust on Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Joe,
Here's the problem. The sport of hang gliding is chock full of hypocrites and thin-skinned whiners who are great a dishing out abuse on their fellow pilots but are first rate pussies when it comes to being on the receiving end and the smallest sample of the very same abuse they dish out. So do we really we have to deal with a kindergarten filled with hypersensitive 50-something year old infants? Really? Isn't there an old adage that says, If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen?
The SHGA isn't known for being the most sensitive and diplomatic place to hang out. I've heard directly from numerous pilots who refuse to set foot in our LZ again because they can't take it. Really? It's not that bad but who am I to judge these things? I'm certainly no expert witness for emotional abuse hearings and trials. I have my share of detractors who like to whine and bitch about me behind my back. What of it? They do it just as much to my face! Poor little me!!
It's one thing to write or to post an obvious parody but it's another thing to falsely accuse somebody of having engaged in acts that are criminal offenses under multiple jurisdictions. That distinction should be obvious but somehow it gets lost when it comes to the SHGA forum moderation team. The SHGA isn't exactly known for being free from hypocrisy.
See, there? I made a personal attack on the SHGA. I insinuated that the club is hypocritical. Is that a personal attack that should be censored? Is it something else that we should all learn to live with? Hypocrisy is not a crime and neither is being one of Jerry's Kids. Of course, everyone knows that Jerry's Kids all have Muscular Dystrophy don't they?
Does Bob have MD? I think it's obvious that he doesn't. I know people who do and it's not pretty. So why compare an obvious graphical parody or satire of oneself with people who really have a difficult cross to bear. It's not like anyone pasted Bob's face onto a child strapped into a wheelchair. That would be tasteless and offensive in my book. If the graphics rose to that level I'd agree with anyone who would want it taken down.
But when the combining of images and words is clearly absurd, it is also clearly absurd to interpret it as anything other than honor and nothing more.
May the Farce be with us!
Jedd I. Knight
Here's the problem. The sport of hang gliding is chock full of hypocrites and thin-skinned whiners who are great a dishing out abuse on their fellow pilots but are first rate pussies when it comes to being on the receiving end and the smallest sample of the very same abuse they dish out. So do we really we have to deal with a kindergarten filled with hypersensitive 50-something year old infants? Really? Isn't there an old adage that says, If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen?
The SHGA isn't known for being the most sensitive and diplomatic place to hang out. I've heard directly from numerous pilots who refuse to set foot in our LZ again because they can't take it. Really? It's not that bad but who am I to judge these things? I'm certainly no expert witness for emotional abuse hearings and trials. I have my share of detractors who like to whine and bitch about me behind my back. What of it? They do it just as much to my face! Poor little me!!
It's one thing to write or to post an obvious parody but it's another thing to falsely accuse somebody of having engaged in acts that are criminal offenses under multiple jurisdictions. That distinction should be obvious but somehow it gets lost when it comes to the SHGA forum moderation team. The SHGA isn't exactly known for being free from hypocrisy.
See, there? I made a personal attack on the SHGA. I insinuated that the club is hypocritical. Is that a personal attack that should be censored? Is it something else that we should all learn to live with? Hypocrisy is not a crime and neither is being one of Jerry's Kids. Of course, everyone knows that Jerry's Kids all have Muscular Dystrophy don't they?
Does Bob have MD? I think it's obvious that he doesn't. I know people who do and it's not pretty. So why compare an obvious graphical parody or satire of oneself with people who really have a difficult cross to bear. It's not like anyone pasted Bob's face onto a child strapped into a wheelchair. That would be tasteless and offensive in my book. If the graphics rose to that level I'd agree with anyone who would want it taken down.
But when the combining of images and words is clearly absurd, it is also clearly absurd to interpret it as anything other than honor and nothing more.
May the Farce be with us!
Jedd I. Knight
And there is no can of worms regarding personal attacks. Let's not make a big thing out of nothing. elect someone ethical and trustworthy and let them decide. we don't need a committee to bog a simple situation down.
A judge of the United States Supreme Court found it very hard to define what hard-core porn was and famously said, "I know it when I see it".
That ethical and trustworthy person who is chosen can do the same herein with personal attacks.
Jeez....
A judge of the United States Supreme Court found it very hard to define what hard-core porn was and famously said, "I know it when I see it".
That ethical and trustworthy person who is chosen can do the same herein with personal attacks.
Jeez....
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sONfxPCTU0[/youtube]
Jim,
I know of no way to alter the counts in the Poll Question.
That you posted the typo is on record; such can be noted in any summary.
Thanks for voting. My wording was probably confusing : ) Thanks for making the correction publicly.
Best to you and yours,
Joe
PS Arbiter would need moderator privilege for the forum; he or she then could delete and send back to sender posts that have personal attacks. Chiefs of SHGA would need to give some moderator keys.
PPS My take: SHGA does not need published text that lives forever that holds bullying via personal attacks. http://www.stopbullying.gov/cyberbullying/what-is-it/
I know of no way to alter the counts in the Poll Question.
That you posted the typo is on record; such can be noted in any summary.
Thanks for voting. My wording was probably confusing : ) Thanks for making the correction publicly.
Best to you and yours,
Joe
PS Arbiter would need moderator privilege for the forum; he or she then could delete and send back to sender posts that have personal attacks. Chiefs of SHGA would need to give some moderator keys.
PPS My take: SHGA does not need published text that lives forever that holds bullying via personal attacks. http://www.stopbullying.gov/cyberbullying/what-is-it/
This bullshit ends now. Since I am the club president I am appointing myself as arbitrator and asking that NOBODY make personal attacks on ANYONE else on our forum. This forum is for fun, and it hasn't been much fun lately.
I will be directing our forum administrator to delete anything that I interpret as a personal attack and keeping a list of how many times that needs to happen and from whom. So please, cool off and keep it fun.
I will be directing our forum administrator to delete anything that I interpret as a personal attack and keeping a list of how many times that needs to happen and from whom. So please, cool off and keep it fun.
"PS. You cannot ignore yourself."
Thanks for correcting that, I had "ignored myself" and fallen into a deep chasm like whiting out into a fog bank.
"Now the world is gone, I'm just one
Oh God, help me" - Metallica.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM8bTdBs-cw[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dYp7yeIZdA[/youtube]
Thanks for correcting that, I had "ignored myself" and fallen into a deep chasm like whiting out into a fog bank.
"Now the world is gone, I'm just one
Oh God, help me" - Metallica.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM8bTdBs-cw[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dYp7yeIZdA[/youtube]