Last Sunday when we drove up to fly - Phil pointed out this LZ. It is located towards the right side of Little Tujunga Rd. after the Korean church.
Coordinates:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&q=34.30 ... ,%20USA%29
I decided to check it out...
http://vimeo.com/22915015
Another Bailout LZ...
Moderator: Chip
Markus, this is awesome. 2 questions:
1. how do you think it compares to the beehives, having recently walked both, and given the pros and cons of each? looks fantastic, but i dread the hike, w/ glider and harness...
2. do you think it's as visible or as accessible once you're too low at lances, or would you have to plan on getting there with more time to spare?
thanks again.
1. how do you think it compares to the beehives, having recently walked both, and given the pros and cons of each? looks fantastic, but i dread the hike, w/ glider and harness...
2. do you think it's as visible or as accessible once you're too low at lances, or would you have to plan on getting there with more time to spare?
thanks again.
janyce
"You HAVE to make it..."
"You HAVE to make it..."
Hello Janice,
If you are low over Lances it's closer to the Beehives.
(Remember, you would have to clear the Power-lines)
I thought of it more for a bailout coming form Big-T if you are unable to make the gap. You wouldn't have to fly over the power-lines because you are already on the side of the LZ.
No high grass and bushes
Less chance of getting in close contact with bees (provided Beehives are setup)
Steeper slope and longer runway.
Wind-Direction:
It seems to me that you have a couple of options…
(I have to go there one more time with a streamer on a typical SW-day to be sure - conditions were very light):
Cross-wind landing with about a 45 deg angle (I would prefer this option. When you look down from the Beehives - right side of the tree)
or
Cross-wind at 75 deg (when you look down from the Beehives - left side of the tree)
But as I mentioned, I have to check this again.
Also, when you look down from the Beehives you will notice that the slope 'domes' in the center. I am not sure but I thought of the possibility of a rotor developing on the right side in stronger conditions.
Retrieval might be OK depending on gate access.
(As I mentioned, there is a road on Google-Earth but I did not come in that way and have to check accessibility. If there is no gate, then you can drive the car to the LZ).
Otherwise it's a long way out and Beehives wins.
Visibility from the air:
According to Google-Earth - very visible - big dirt lot with a tree in it.
Next time I am over Lances I will check it out for myself.
There is another Bailout LZ SW of this one, it's called "Dinos LZ". I will check this one next to see how it compares.
Hope this answers all your questions.
M.
If you are low over Lances it's closer to the Beehives.
(Remember, you would have to clear the Power-lines)
I thought of it more for a bailout coming form Big-T if you are unable to make the gap. You wouldn't have to fly over the power-lines because you are already on the side of the LZ.
No high grass and bushes
Less chance of getting in close contact with bees (provided Beehives are setup)
Steeper slope and longer runway.
Wind-Direction:
It seems to me that you have a couple of options…
(I have to go there one more time with a streamer on a typical SW-day to be sure - conditions were very light):
Cross-wind landing with about a 45 deg angle (I would prefer this option. When you look down from the Beehives - right side of the tree)
or
Cross-wind at 75 deg (when you look down from the Beehives - left side of the tree)
But as I mentioned, I have to check this again.
Also, when you look down from the Beehives you will notice that the slope 'domes' in the center. I am not sure but I thought of the possibility of a rotor developing on the right side in stronger conditions.
Retrieval might be OK depending on gate access.
(As I mentioned, there is a road on Google-Earth but I did not come in that way and have to check accessibility. If there is no gate, then you can drive the car to the LZ).
Otherwise it's a long way out and Beehives wins.
Visibility from the air:
According to Google-Earth - very visible - big dirt lot with a tree in it.
Next time I am over Lances I will check it out for myself.
There is another Bailout LZ SW of this one, it's called "Dinos LZ". I will check this one next to see how it compares.
Hope this answers all your questions.
M.
Last edited by M@rkus on Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:33 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Markus, I have flown over that field Phill pointed out to you many times and in my opinion, the proximity of the high-tension towers and lines, along with the large tree near it's center make it a questionable choice. The dirt surface is just the thing to kick off sudden dust devils that could send a glider into the lines. You would be safer avoiding the field and landing on the hillside adjacent to the field.M@rkus wrote:....There is another Bailout LZ SW of this one, it's called "Dinos LZ".....
I have landed at Dino's several times and so have several other pilots I know. It is a better choice but one must land toward the hillside or it is easy to overfly it and wind up in the high-tension lines. There are beehives in the NE corner of Dino's too.
I wouldn't be too concerned about landing near beehives unless you are allergic. I recently landed next to a large number of active hives near Mentone and although many bees bounced off of my body, face and harness during my approach, I was not stung. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mns0WTj7SQs
If a pilot becomes confident doing a steep, uphill landing or a fireroad landing, he/she can land a large number of places along the San Gabriel mountain range.
Cheers, Jonathan
