Summer Competition - Sub Comp #3

Don · Post by **Don** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:24 am

Sub Comp #3 covers the period 8/16 through 9/5. This is your last chance to score points / airtime and "take home the money"

The waypoints and scoring will be the same as Sub Comp #2 as follows:

Locals - 15 points
Towers - 10 points
Camp 9 - 10 points
1500 - 10 points
West Towers - 5 points
East Trash - 10 points
Lances - 10 points
Little T - 10 points
Big T - 10 points

H2 = 15 points, H3 = 5 points, H4 = 0 points
(High Hour H2's are scored as a H3)

Glider sliding scale (e.g. single surface (Falcon) = 10 points, topless = 0 points)

Good Luck - see you in the air

Christian · Post by **Christian** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:32 am

Don, would you consider adding some points for highest altitude achieved this time? Might add a new fun factor....

JBBenson · Post by **JBBenson** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:15 pm

Here are some more ideas for "extra credit" :

Sub Comp #3 Extra Points

1.) Before launching did you:

a) Check conditions, using all available online sources?: 1 point
b) Check conditions by asking experienced pilots?: 3 points
c) Check conditions by using a windmeter and timing cycles?: 6 points
d) Checking conditions by kicking some dust, and then
asking Erwin?: 9 points

2.) After launching did you:

a) Go immediately for the house thermal?: 1 point
b) Remember your radio battery is still in the charger?: 3 points
c) Remember to do your hook-in check?: 6 points
d) Fly the wrong way in a thermal, and when the other pilots yell at you,
think that â€�itâ€™s no wonder hang-gliding is dyingâ€�?: 10 points

3.) When you broke a downtube â€œon landingâ€�, what did you do next?

a) Cross the street and buy a new one right away at Windsports,
telling Joe you just need an â€œextra oneâ€� for an
out-of-town trip?: 3 points
b) Surf hang-gliding websites to see if your old Altair downtube will fit
your Talon, just by â€œcrimpingâ€� it a little: 7 points
c) Tell everybody looking that it has been that way since you "wrangled
that dust-devil in 'Mae-Hee-Co'": 10 points

4.) When you landed, how many messages did your wife/girlfriend/life-
partner leave on your cell phone while you were flying?

0-3: 12 points
4-6: 10 points
7-10: 6 points
10+: immediate disqualification, go home and clean the garage.

5.) After submitting your score did you:

a) Immediately call your wife/girlfriend: 0 points
b) Immediately watch the shuttle launch on T.V.: 1 point
c) Sit on bench in L.Z. and make loud predictions about â€œepicâ€� conditions
for the next day: 3 points (slurring while doing so: extra 1 point)
d) Ride home on your motorcycle, (splitting lanes): 10 points and
1 free waypoint

Don · Post by **Don** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:06 am

Jeff Craig comes out strong on the first day of Sub Comp #3 !

Points:

Jeff Craig (H2) - Sub Comp #1 45 points + Sub Comp #2 25 points + Sub Comp #3 50 points = Total 120 points - In The Money

Freddy Wagner (H3) - Sub comp #1 60 points + Sub Comp #2 40 points = Total 100 points - In The Money

Malury Silberman (H2 - H3) - Sub Comp #1 60 points + Sub Comp #2 40 points = Total 100 points - In The Money

Allen Binder (H2) - Sub Comp #1 45 points + Sub Comp #2 35 points = Total 80 points - Not quite in the money

Don Banas (H3) - Sub Comp #1 0 points + Sub Comp #2 55 points = Total 55 points (Still out of the money)

Total Airtime:

Malury Silberman (H2 - H3) - Sub Comp #1 3:15, Sub Comp #2 3:00 = Total 6:15 In The Money

Jeff Craig (H2) - Sub Comp #1 2:36, Sub Comp #2 1:02, Sub Comp #3 1:29 = Total 5:07

Don Banas (H3) - Sub Comp #1 0:00, Sub Comp #2 3:53 = Total 3:53 Not even close to being in the Money

Allen Binder (H2) - Sub Comp #1 1:43, Sub Comp #2 1:19 = Total 3:02
Freddy Wagner (H3) - Sub Comp #1 + Sub Comp #2 1:10 = Total 2:10

Single Longest Airtime Flight:

Don Banas - 3:53 In the Money

Malury Silberman - 3:15
Jeff Craig - 2:36
Allen Binder - 1:43

We are in the final stretch - can any one over take Malury's total airtime (I don't think I have the bladder control

)

Malury · Post by **Malury** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:55 pm

Flight Date: 8/17/06

Pilot Name: Malury Silberman

Rating: H-2.76

Glider Make/Model Flown: Falcon 2

Total Flight Time: 3 hours 36 minutes...I was gunning for Don's 3:53 but the mountain shut down on me.

Waypoints Tagged

Locals (15 points) Yes
Towers (10 points): Yes
East trash (10 points) Yes

Did you land in the SHGA LZ: Yes

GPS waypoint verification (not required): No

List waypoint witnesses if available. Jeff Craig

I checked the wind with a windmeter and timed cycles 1 point?
I flew straight to the house thermal 1point?
And when I got down I had 3 messages in my cellphone. (Boss & friends does that get 3 pts.?
And when I got home the front lawn had grown a little bit. What can I get for that?

abinder · Post by **abinder** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:19 am

hmmmmmmmmm.............

Seems like there should be a 'handicap' for using a knee-hanger harness!!
(have you ever tried going for long periods of time in a knee-hanger harness)

Allen

Don · Post by **Don** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:42 am

abinder wrote:hmmmmmmmmm.............

Seems like there should be a 'handicap' for using a knee-hanger harness!!
(have you ever tried going for long periods of time in a knee-hanger harness)

Allen

I've done numerous 3+ hour flights in a knee hanger - dare I say that I find/found the Z5 NOT to be that much more comfortable. With the knee hanger - you can easily flex your knees and generally more about alot more. Then there is the significant advantage of landing with a knee hanger.

Don · Post by **Don** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:50 am

Malury bolts into FIRST PLACE !

(he even tries to get extra points with questionable justifications

)

Points:

Malury Silberman (H2 - H3) - Sub Comp #1 60 points + Sub Comp #2 40 points + Sub Comp #3 50 points = Total 150 points - In The Money

Jeff Craig (H2) - Sub Comp #1 45 points + Sub Comp #2 25 points + Sub Comp #3 50 points = Total 120 points - In The Money

Freddy Wagner (H3) - Sub comp #1 60 points + Sub Comp #2 40 points = Total 100 points - In The Money

Allen Binder (H2) - Sub Comp #1 45 points + Sub Comp #2 35 points = Total 80 points - Not quite in the money

Don Banas (H3) - Sub Comp #1 0 points + Sub Comp #2 55 points = Total 55 points (Still out of the money)

Total Airtime:

Malury Silberman (H2 - H3) - Sub Comp #1 3:15 + Sub Comp #2 3:00 + Sub Comp #3 3:36 = Total 9:51 In The Money

Jeff Craig (H2) - Sub Comp #1 2:36, Sub Comp #2 1:02, Sub Comp #3 1:29 = Total 5:07
Don Banas (H3) - Sub Comp #1 0:00, Sub Comp #2 3:53 = Total 3:53 Not even close to being in the Money

Allen Binder (H2) - Sub Comp #1 1:43, Sub Comp #2 1:19 = Total 3:02
Freddy Wagner (H3) - Sub Comp #1 + Sub Comp #2 1:10 = Total 2:10

Single Longest Airtime Flight:

Don Banas - 3:53 In the Money

Malury Silberman - 3:36
Jeff Craig - 2:36
Allen Binder - 1:43

Malury · Post by **Malury** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 7:21 am

Although I'm grateful to be in first place (for now) I wanted to mention that I think my "Total Airtime" from Comp 2 is inaccurate. I think it should total 5:50. Can we have an auditor look in to it?

Malury · Post by **Malury** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:32 pm

Here is the blank Entry Form. Copy and paste it to post here.

Flight Date: _____________________________

Pilot Name: ____________________________

Rating: H2 H3 H4 ______________________
(H2=+15 points, H3=+5 points, H4=+0 points)

Glider Make/Model Flown: _____________
(Sliding scale: SS 10 points to High Perf 0 points)

Total Flight Time:_______________________
(hours and minutes)

Waypoints Tagged
Locals (15 points) Yes/No
Towers (10 points): Yes/No
Camp 9 (10 points): Yes/No
1500 (10 points): Yes/No
West Towers (5 points) : Yes/No
East Trash (10 points) Yes/No
Lances (10 points): Yes/No
Little T (10 points) : Yes/No
Big T (10 points): Yes/No

Did you land in the SHGA LZ: Yes/No

GPS waypoint verification (not required): Yes/No

List waypoint witnesses if available.

Cut/paste this document with answers and email to Dbanas@eastwestbank.com. Or print and fax to Don at 626-457-3147. Submit within 72 hours of your flight, if possible.

Malury · Post by **Malury** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:38 pm

Flight Date: 8/18/06

Pilot Name: Malury Silberman

Rating: H-2.8

Glider Make/Model Flown: Falcon 2

Total Flight Time: 1 hour 21 minutes

Waypoints Tagged: None

Did you land in the SHGA LZ: Yes

GPS waypoint verification (not required): No

abinder · Post by **abinder** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:11 pm

Malury wrote:Although I'm grateful to be in first place (for now) I wanted to mention that I think my "Total Airtime" from Comp 2 is inaccurate. I think it should total 5:50. Can we have an auditor look in to it?

You don't add all of your times together from within the Comp 2. The way that I read the rules are that your times/points that are used towards the score is the latest flight that you submit for each Comp.
(the way that the rules 'seem' to be written, since the flight that you submitted on Aug 13, 2006 was your latest one submitted for Comp 2, you would't get you any points for way places tagged (none tagged) and you would only get 14 minutes for the Comp 2 portions of the total Comp.)
(But then that's only the way that I read the writing in the 'rules' for the Comp.)

Allen

P.S. - I'm also wondering how many of the actually minutes that are being used for the flights are actual flight minutes and not just time that the vario was on. I seem to 'hear' varios way before the actual launch time and way after the actual landing time. I know that not all varios automatically start the 'clock' at the actual time of the launch and stop the 'clock' at the actual time of the landing. Myself, I turn my vario on right after my last hook-in check (about 30 sec before launch) and within 30 sec after I land.

Malury · Post by **Malury** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:09 am

Allen, I'm not sure about the accumulated airtime, perhaps you are right about that. I faxed a few reports early in Comp 2 and I wonder if they were included. It's not critical cause i'm far ahead . (for now)

As for varios; I always treat mine like you do, for accuracy. Once launched I check the time and later subtract Launchpotato time. I've been told that better varios dont start the clock till their GPSs recognize movement.

Its saturday...going flying?

Malury · Post by **Malury** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:25 pm

Flight Date: 8/19/06

Pilot Name: Malury Silberman

Rating: H-2.87

Glider Make/Model Flown: Falcon 2 195

Total Flight Time: 1 hour 37 minutes

Waypoints Tagged: none at all, just like the last two days.

Did you land in the SHGA LZ: Yes, badly

GPS waypoint verification (not required): No

I'm goin to Blackhawk tomorrow! will that count?

Malury · Post by **Malury** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:40 pm

Hey Don, can I put in for flights at other sites? Like Blackhawk?

Flight Date: 8/20/06

Pilot Name: Malury Silberman

Rating: H-2.9

Glider Make/Model Flown: Falcon 2 195

Total Flight Time:15 minutes

Waypoints tagged None

Did you land in the SHGA LZ: No, Blackhawk LZ and I was lucky to reach it

GPS waypoint verification (not required): No

List witnesses if available. Greblo and Irwin and Ken

Malury · Post by **Malury** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:54 pm

Flight Date: 8/20/06 2nd Blackhawk Flight of the day.

Pilot Name: Malury Silberman

Rating: H-2.91 and holding!

Glider Make/Model Flown: Falcon 2 195

Total Flight Time:8 minutes...Rob Burgess' record is safe for now!

Waypoints tagged None

Did you land in the LZ?: No, Bad inflight decisions! I got too low in front of east launch at Blackhawk and I was lucky to dodge trees and cactus and land it hard on the upslope of a mountain. It was hard to retrieve me, and I wrecked a downtube. I pulled it off this time but I dont recommend it.

GPS waypoint verification (not required or needed): No

List witnesses if available. Greblo and Irwin and Ken

abinder · Post by **abinder** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:49 am

I believe that this Comp is for flights from the Kagel Launch.

Allen

ericbrown · Post by **ericbrown** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:12 pm

ok don, i think i'm finally starting to free myself from your summer comp jinx. after my last good flight being the day before the comp started i finally had a decent flight (although clearly not enough to catch mal)

Flight Date: 8/19/06

Pilot Name: Eric Brown

Rating: H-2

Glider Make/Model Flown: Falcon 2

Total Flight Time: 1 hour 50 minutes

Waypoints Tagged: Nope (barely even got over launch)

Did you land in the SHGA LZ: Yes

GPS waypoint verification (not required): No

Don · Post by **Don** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:26 am

Actually 8 more flying days in the Comp !

Malury · Post by **Malury** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:40 pm

Flight Date: 9/1/06

Pilot Name: Malury Silberman

Rating: Hang-2.9 and holding

Glider Make/Model Flown: Falcon 2 195

Total Flight Time: 1 hour 54 minutes

Waypoints Tagged:

Locals (15 points) Yes

Towers (10 points): Yes

East Trash (10 points) Yes

Did you land in the SHGA LZ: Yes

GPS waypoint verification (not required): No

List waypoint witnesses if available. My wingmen, Jeff Craig and Eric Brown

Sylmar Hang Gliding Association

Summer Competition - Sub Comp #3

Summer Competition - Sub Comp #3

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