Free Online First Aid / CPR Cert.

jcflies · Post by **jcflies** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:05 pm

We may not always have a Rob in the L/Z...

http://www.firstaidweb.com/

Busto · Post by **Busto** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:00 pm

I know that Andy Beem, Joe Greblo and myself are BLS qualified. I could talk to a company that could possibly come out to the LZ and certify those who are interested. I have a couple of books, or you can buy one for fifteen dollars. I believe the course is about forty-five dollars.

We should invest in an AMBU bag and a few masks of different sizes. We can also invest in masks and one way breathing valves.

To take the course could benefit you even outside the club. If something happened to a family member, you'll be capable in performing BLS/CPR correctly.

jcflies · Post by **jcflies** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:05 am

thanks, busto! i am definitely interested!

Busto · Post by **Busto** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:24 pm

A few years ago, Rob promptly responded to a situation that required CPR.

Great job Rob.

For those who don't know, things have since changed. I'm sure Rob is aware that he or any one else doesn't needs to perform mouth-to-mouth anymore.

Thank God!

Here is a simple way to remember what has to be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5hP4DIBCEE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlGpl9DU ... ure=relmfu

So ... on the list with a complete first aid kit will be a Bee Gees CD and Boom-box.

Mike Blankenhorn · Post by **Mike Blankenhorn** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:41 am

If you got your CPR cert online, keep your damn hands off me!

Busto · Post by **Busto** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:46 pm

I agree ... kind of.

If there is no one certified in CPR, and the only person around has knowledge from watching "Bay Watch" ... I say, give them a shot. What's it gonna do? Kill you! Maybe, but it wouldn't be from their not trying. It will most likely be from improper technique, or something beyond their control, but let's be optimistic and give it 40/60 that they'll do what is necessary to keep you alive until paramedics arive. Those are better odds then if they just stood there and did nothing.

Learning from AHA qualified instructor's and practicing on manikins is important. One of several things you learn is proper depth of compression with an instructor watching you. The course is four hours and at the end of the day, you have an instructor grading you in a team of two and individually.

This knowledge could increase the odds better than 50/50 when you're out in the field trying to keep someone alive.

jcflies · Post by **jcflies** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:47 pm

let's do it! here, in the l/z. anyone interested?

Busto · Post by **Busto** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:03 pm

Janyce,

I have a place in Pasadena I've been going for the past few years. It's called "Lifesaver Education". You can register online www.LifesaverEd.com Their number is (626)441-3406.

I have an advance class I have to take on Monday concerning ventilators. I will talk with them and see if they could do a course on BLS in the LZ.

Janyce,

Tomorrow I will bring you an AHA BLS manual. It comes with an Adult and Pediatric BLS Algorithms.

dhmartens · Post by **dhmartens** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:25 am

The main 2 exceptions to compression only CPR are when the blood has low oxygen content. These include drowning and drug overdose where respiration has slowed over time.

The whole goal of CPR is providing the brain with oxygenated blood.
The whole goal of compression only CPR is to get people afraid of giving CPR new confidence that they can safely apply the procedure.

O2:
I worked for a client that had a portable oxygen bottle on the wall and they once used it on a CFO that passed out.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-PORTABLE-OXYG ... 274wt_1064
A bottle of O2 costs $10

(please consult a medical professional before taking internet medical advice)

Busto · Post by **Busto** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:26 am

I'm not going to get into a debate over this topic.

In the hospital setting during a code blue we use full CPR (compressions and bag), but we have experienced personnel and all the equipment needed (AMBU bag, oxygen, etc.) in the room to do it effectively.

ARC and AHA are both teaching compressions only, and there is a reason.

http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news ... more-lives

By the way ... They weren't using Dmartens two exceptions to the rule, they were talking about cardiac arrest.

www.LifesaverEd.com

dhmartens · Post by **dhmartens** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:30 am

http://www.respiratoryreviews.com/march02/chest.html

This article confirms benefit compression only CPR with a study on 14 pigs.

"..There may be additional benefits to this method as well. The survival edge may occur because interrupting chest compressions --- even just for rescue breathing-- may further hamper blood flow, and it takes longer to get that blood flow back when it is time for more chest compressions, explains study researcher Bentley J. Bobrow, MD, of the Arizona Department of Health Services in Phoenix..."

Busto · Post by **Busto** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:08 am

Actually the article mentions.

Both clinical research and animal studies have shown that bystander CPR using chest compressions alone is as effective as a technique combining compressions with rescue breathing.

Great study ... worth reading.

What should be taken from the article is that it can be beneficial for short term use.

The neurological studies should raise a few brows.