To All Pilots Without Radio License, Please Get One

BudRob · Post by **BudRob** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:12 am

The radio will be installed. Mike - please proceed as soon as practical.

Those without a license should not talk on it and there should be a warning sign as such on the radio. If unlicensed people were to talk on it, they will be "discouraged" from doing so again.

If it comes to it, and I seriously doubt that it will, we can always lock out the transmitter. After all, installing the radio was originally about those on the ground hearing what is going on in the air. It is not a crime to listen.

Busto · Post by **Busto** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:37 pm

You could put, "Not intended for illegal use".

Simple, and it covers everything.

I'll take care of it, if there is no one committed in making the sign.

BudRob · Post by **BudRob** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:41 pm

And so it will be.

Busto - "you da man!"

OP · Post by OP » Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:06 pm

Busto wrote:You could put, "Not intended for illegal use".

Simple, and it covers everything.

I'll take care of it, if there is no one committed in making the sign.

That's racist. You shouldn't call anyone illegal. "Undocumented" is preferred.

I do like Busto's direction with the wording though. Maybe this would be more clear:

"Warning: Illegal use of this Device is Illegal"

Busto · Post by **Busto** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:58 pm

Thanks OP,

When I first wrote it, I knew there was something wrong...I just couldn't puzzle a better phrase.

I'll suggest your wording at the next meeting, unless Rob is OK with it, then I'll move into getting it done.

Mike Blankenhorn · Post by **Mike Blankenhorn** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:36 pm

Busto wrote:You could put, "Not intended for illegal use".

Simple, and it covers everything.

I'll take care of it, if there is no one committed in making the sign.

Just please make sure it does not read like obamacare,

!

BudRob · Post by **BudRob** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:14 am

Robert,

The radio box is on the post. Please apply the appropriate warning message.

OP · Post by OP » Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:38 pm

BudRob wrote:Robert,

The radio box is on the post. Please apply the appropriate warning message.

I've got use of industrial strength laser markers or labelers. Ask me If I can be of help.

I prefer an oddly redundant warning like this "Warning: Illegal use of this Device is Illegal."

Makes both the illegal use of the device known, yet also displays how absurd the rule is.

Busto · Post by **Busto** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:03 pm

If you'd like to help...cool, but something simple in the door is all the club needs.

Out of sight, out of mind...just something to show, whoever....just in case.

I think many rules are pretty absurd; since many are obvious, and others are crossed by everyone at least once, if not often.

Dogs - Any dog on SHGA property must be kept on a leash, in the presence of its owner, and under control. Any dog that creates an annoyance, in the judgement of the board, may be excluded from the property.

I've never seen a dog bite anyone, but apparently it happened. Yet, our dogs seem to have it pretty good in the LZ, freely running around. Chad's video of the dogs knocking down the cones show how harsh the dog rules are. Yet we have a rule.

I'm guessing...just in case.

Don · Post by **Don** » Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:28 am

It is my understanding that transmitting on a Ham radio by an unlicensed operator is NOT always illegal!

I believe if it is an emergency it is legal for anyone to transmit on the radio.

Busto · Post by **Busto** » Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:50 am

This was mentioned by DQ and others in a thread that has since vanished.

I would hope without DQ mentioning the FCC rule, most would understand that the help of assisting a pilot, hiker, etc, would be of speed and importance.

I believe DQ had also mentioned that it would be a good idea, if people who had never worked with a radio, could take the time and see how it functions.

This should probably be mentioned.

Mike Blankenhorn · Post by **Mike Blankenhorn** » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:15 am

Busto wrote:I believe DQ had also mentioned that it would be a good idea, if people who had never worked with a radio, could take the time and see how it functions.

What they need to do is buy the HAM radio license guide and study for the god damn test, then they'll know how it functions!

BudRob · Post by **BudRob** » Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:15 pm

Robert,

Perhaps the message inside the box should be something like, "it is illegal to transmit without a license except in an emergency".

I don't want to discourage its use for an emergency with a warning sign that doesn't mention that exception.

JD · Post by JD » Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:58 pm

47 CFR Â§ 97.403 Safety of life and protection of property.
No provision of these rules prevents the use by an amateur station of any means of radiocommunication at its disposal to provide essential communication needs in connection with the immediate safety of human life and immediate protection of property when normal communication systems are not available.

OP · Post by OP » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:19 pm

NME straight drops the AUTHORITY. (stress the statement so it rhymes)

However to be complete. Like if you paid me as a lawyer (I'm not, yet) You should also point to the USC (united states code) that allows for this CFR (code of federal regulations) to exist. Also i'm going to need some analogous interpretations of this from the first appeal level or higher to interpret the reg.

I could put the entire opinion in a package, and seal it with my 10milliondollar insurance (meaning if i'm wrong you get paid)... all for a cool 50k out the door for that document.

However I'm not a lawyer. Nor are there any HAM nazis out side of our group who even care.

Busto · Post by **Busto** » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:54 pm

AlC · Post by **AlC** » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:08 pm

Actually you might be surprised by who is watching. Check out this thread from the Crestline forum from a couple of weeks back...
http://www.crestlinesoaring.org/forum/2 ... ment-13720

- Alan

Mike Blankenhorn · Post by **Mike Blankenhorn** » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:33 pm

And that's why we ALL obviously have radio licenses!

OP · Post by OP » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:57 pm

Another Ham nazi has been identified.

Also, this points out another reason NOT to be licensed. Every time you give your call sign, I KNOW EVERY THING ABOUT YOU.

For example, what can I tell you about this particular nazi.

K*** or J** L***
His middle name is C*****. His wife's name is M***.
This is his house: ***Retracted****
He is upside - down on his mortgage. He bought it in January 2002 for $259,184. It's currently appraised for much less.
His education University of Minnesota-Duluth B.S. ******* *******
This is his daily commute to his job at ** ****: http:/************

He sounds like a nice guy. I bet he would get along with us famously. I could even go on to more detail, but it's not necessary.

Edit: I felt bad about outing a random ham. Believe me that your call sign reveals everything.

Busto · Post by **Busto** » Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:36 pm

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