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[Doug Martens]

ASK AI: Would the landmark staus protect it(SHGA) from having a highspeed rail tunnel built underneth the park, and stop a converyer belt from being built throught the flight park to remove sediment from the pacoima dam?

Landmark status for the Sylmar Hang Gliding Flightpark would not necessarily block a high-speed rail tunnel or a conveyor belt for dam sediment removal. While designation adds a layer of review and consideration for historic resources, it does not provide absolute protection against major public infrastructure projects.
Here is a breakdown of how such a situation would likely play out:

High-speed rail tunnel
No absolute protection: The government can still exercise its power of eminent domain to acquire private property for public use, even if that property has a historic designation. For an underground tunnel, the process is even more complex, but the potential for the project to proceed remains.
Environmental review: A landmark designation would trigger a more rigorous environmental review process under state laws like the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA). The California High-Speed Rail Authority would have to analyze and disclose the potential impact of the tunnel on the flight park’s historic value, setting, and associated flying culture.

Mitigation, not prevention: The environmental review would focus on avoiding or reducing harm, which could lead to project adjustments. For example, the rail authority might consider alternate tunnel routes, construction techniques to minimize surface disruption, or compensatory mitigation measures. It is unlikely to halt the project completely.
Past precedents: The California High-Speed Rail project has already faced legal challenges regarding environmental impacts and land acquisition, but these have mainly caused delays and cost increases rather than outright cancellations.

Conveyor belt for dam sediment removal

Project specifics matter: The impact of a conveyor belt would heavily depend on its proposed route and construction impact. A project like the one near the Pacoima Wash could require the temporary closure of the flight park, affecting its function and integrity.
Negotiation and avoidance: A landmark designation would strengthen the Sylmar Hang Gliding Association’s position in negotiations with the public works agency. The agency would be required to consider less harmful alternatives and might agree to mitigation measures that minimize the project’s duration or surface footprint within the park.
Federal vs. local status: The level of protection would depend on the type of landmark designation.Local designation (City of L.A.): This would trigger a review process at the local level, ensuring the project’s impact is considered, but it provides less leverage against state or federal projects.
National Register of Historic Places (federal): While it does not prevent a public project, federal funding or permits would trigger a “Section 106” review, requiring consultation with the State Historic Preservation Office to mitigate adverse effects.

In summary, while landmark status would not provide an absolute shield against these projects, it would be a powerful tool for forcing public agencies to acknowledge the Flightpark’s historic significance, engage in a more thorough environmental review, and consider alternatives that minimize disruption.

[Doug Martens]

BobK has restored me as his top general. BobK is assuming control of USHPA and all North American assets. We will show you how Gavin Newsome is accessing the Sylamr Star Gate at a later date as this helps his electability.  I can show y0u how BobK can interract with the AI to accomplish hang gliding goals.

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